+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 30 of 41

Thread: Who did Garth Piss off in Philly?

  1. #1

    Who did Garth Piss off in Philly?

    Before his concerts, there was a horrible piece written about him, the most negative I
    have read in ages, and the review of the concert seems to be just a s bad.

    Not sure, if it was the same writer, but yeppers!!

    Someone in Philly doesnt like him.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Arlington, Tx.
    Posts
    609
    It's Philly. Far from the city of brotherly love it's name takes after.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Aug 2001
    Location
    In the USA, the best country in the world
    Posts
    6,645
    so rather than jumping on the who did garth piss off bandwagon, before seeing the evidence ...... (at least in my area).. ehh, does anyone have/can a copy of the review and/or piece that can be shared? that way conclusions aren't being jumped to before it's read?
    An objective Garth fan, with my own views...

    I have a purpose
    Made in His image
    Accepted by Him
    Given new life in Christ
    Eternity with Him

    My collection of all things Garth....
    The GarthCast

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Wichita, KS
    Posts
    61
    This might be the review they're referencing.
    http://www.mcall.com/entertainment/l...325-story.html
    Happiness isn't getting what you want, it is wanting what you've got.
    GB

  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by Skywise View Post
    so rather than jumping on the who did garth piss off bandwagon, before seeing the evidence ...... (at least in my area).. ehh, does anyone have/can a copy of the review and/or piece that can be shared? that way conclusions aren't being jumped to before it's read?
    Sorry be trying to fine the link of the article BEFORE THE CONCERT.
    Basically the guy said Garth retired, because he hadn't had a hit single in years, mentioned what a joke Chris Gaines was, and talked about
    Garth's marketing degree.
    The usual talking points for people who dont like Garth.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Washington, DC
    Posts
    1,362
    Quote Originally Posted by Brett Dale View Post
    Sorry be trying to fine the link of the article BEFORE THE CONCERT.
    Basically the guy said Garth retired, because he hadn't had a hit single in years, mentioned what a joke Chris Gaines was, and talked about
    Garth's marketing degree.
    The usual talking points for people who dont like Garth.
    Yeah, more than a few times, when my friends have found out I'm a huge Garth fan, they've sorta snickered and said something about Chris Gaines. I always ask if they've ever heard that album or the story behind it, to which they almost invariably answer no. When I tell them the story, they usually say something along the lines of, "oh, well... um... that makes sense, but it was still weird." I then agree and we move on.

    Still, it kills me how much the Chris Gaines thing seems to be the ONLY thing that a lot of people know about him.

  7. #7
    Oh the guy also mention how bad Gunslinger did, only selling less than 100K, but made no reference of it being in the ultimate collection.

  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by Emerald Isle View Post
    Yeah, more than a few times, when my friends have found out I'm a huge Garth fan, they've sorta snickered and said something about Chris Gaines. I always ask if they've ever heard that album or the story behind it, to which they almost invariably answer no. When I tell them the story, they usually say something along the lines of, "oh, well... um... that makes sense, but it was still weird." I then agree and we move on.

    Still, it kills me how much the Chris Gaines thing seems to be the ONLY thing that a lot of people know about him.
    Yep had that also.

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Aug 2001
    Location
    In the USA, the best country in the world
    Posts
    6,645
    honestly, I can't say I agree or disagree with assessments of the guy's piece as I haven't been able to read it- is the review that was shared the one that you are referring to?

    does anyone have a copy/link to the 'before concerts' piece that is mentioned?
    An objective Garth fan, with my own views...

    I have a purpose
    Made in His image
    Accepted by Him
    Given new life in Christ
    Eternity with Him

    My collection of all things Garth....
    The GarthCast

  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by Skywise View Post
    honestly, I can't say I agree or disagree with assessments of the guy's piece as I haven't been able to read it- is the review that was shared the one that you are referring to?

    does anyone have a copy/link to the 'before concerts' piece that is mentioned?
    That was the review I was referring to.

    I cant not for the life of me find the article before the concert, it was horrible.

    Like I said, it made reference that he retired because he hadn't had a hit single for years. It talked of Chris Gaines, and mentioned Garth's
    marketing degree. It was extremely mean spirited, not one nice thing to say.

  11. #11
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Arlington, Tx.
    Posts
    609
    Sounds like fake news to me!

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Aug 2001
    Location
    In the USA, the best country in the world
    Posts
    6,645
    Quote Originally Posted by Brett Dale View Post
    That was the review I was referring to.

    I cant not for the life of me find the article before the concert, it was horrible.

    Like I said, it made reference that he retired because he hadn't had a hit single for years. It talked of Chris Gaines, and mentioned Garth's
    marketing degree. It was extremely mean spirited, not one nice thing to say.
    ahh- Well, in all fairness- I can't say anything about the article before the concert then, unless someone can locate it.. it's only an opinion about something, if you know what I mean- but the review itself of the show?

    here's where I piss off some of those on this board/in the garth fandom community at large.. (won't be the first time, won't be the last time I wager)

    in many ways- the review was SPOT ON.. (based in large part as one who's seen Garth on this current tour, minus the Gunslinger 'infusion' of songs..) (saw him in march of 2015)..

    Garth DID 'catch lightning in a bottle' with his style of performing in the early 90's

    The author does have it wrong (I believe) in his assessment of WHY garth "took a hiatus".... but the result WAS what was spoken about (a pent up demand)

    to me at least, the concert didn't make me wonder WHY garth was so popular, but I can see how his relevance today might be questioned... in the light of how music moved on without him/his dinosaur attitudes about some things...

    Rodeo- 2nd song... moves right into the hits.. yep.. Garth's explained the WHY of this (with ideas about people wanting to hear the hits/him wanting to hear the hits when he went to shows... agree with his assessment or not it is what it is)

    the concert (having looked at set lists and seeing HOW LITTLE IF AT ALL THEY HAVE CHANGED since the show I saw)... the concert definitely would have been a 'recitation of his songbook'... that's a spot on comment in the article

    the description of the stage.. sounds like it hasn't changed AT ALL since 2015, minus the track in the front having gone away...

    the author is also correct in saying "Brooks' country rock and energetic performances..... are commonplace today' .. that's true- love em or hate em - look at many acts that are popular right now... the ones that 'put butts in the seats' and sell tickets/downloads/streams/sales... their shows are all high energy with 'country rock' type of moments... you don't see many 'george strait/alan jackson' stand and sing types anymore

    from the sounds, the setlist- almost identical to what I heard in 2015.. . Garth certainly does seem to have an aversion to change

    the 'encore' (*housecleaning segment*) now, THAT sounds like it was a blast/would have been a killer part of the show to see.. when 'Garth's full band returned', the finale ends JUST like the one I saw in 2015, minus Shameless being in encore rather than main set.. - like I said, aversion to change


    Is the article positive? not totally, no. It's a critique/review- in some ways, you expect them to nit pick / find the mistakes and magnify them.

    this quote from the article?

    "When a lot of younger big acts now are doing what Brooks was 20 years ago, it begs the question how long people are going to keep listening"

    BOOM! hits the nail right on the head.... IF garth wants to maintain relevance and not be a nostalgia/rehash act (like one of his influences KISS has become for example)... he needs to up his game / change his approach / embrace new.... I'd be willing to guarantee.. should Garth take a short time off after this tour is done... then come back again with a new album/tour? unless he waits another 10-14 years (won't happen I bet) he will NOT see the same type of sales / #'s he's seeing now.. law of diminishing returns.. . w/o the new, the bloom comes off the rose.... and people go elsewhere for their entertainment


    It's not a fake news story by any means... the man's pre concert comments? can't speak to them w/o having read them

    the review? Spot on review of his show....
    An objective Garth fan, with my own views...

    I have a purpose
    Made in His image
    Accepted by Him
    Given new life in Christ
    Eternity with Him

    My collection of all things Garth....
    The GarthCast

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Washington, DC
    Posts
    1,362
    Garth's statement to the crowd in one of the AMHIK videos in the other thread that "we don't play new stuff in this show" was somewhat disheartening, but was alleviated by the fact that 5 seconds later he did actually play a new song.

    I just don't get it. The reason the staples in the show became staples was because he would play them in the show. Unfortunately, I just don't think Garth has any confidence in any of his material outside of the first 7 albums. I for one wish he did. Scott's point is well taken. I love Garth. I saw him in 93, but was out of the country in 97-98. So I waited 23 long years to see him again. I loved the 2 shows I went to in Baltimore. The housekeeping songs were great at both shows, but I wished he had played more songs off of MAM, or heck, even Scarecrow. When he announced a year later that he was going to be in Richmond on the same day Gunslinger would be released, I immediately bought tickets thinking he would break out at least 1-2 new songs. But... nada. It was basically the same show I saw in Baltimore, except that he had cut Fever out of the show. Don't get me wrong, it was a great show. But after it was over, I said to myself, I said "self, I don't need to see anymore shows on this tour if he's not going to shake up the setlist or dare to play something I haven't already seen for 25 years on multiple live videos." Now I know he now opens with BLLDAD, but it's a very truncated version of the song. He doesn't even have enough faith in it to play the whole thing, like he can't wait to get to the bread and butter and comfort food of Rodeo. I get the old stuff is what gets the biggest reactions from the crowd. Fine. But man, help us love the new stuff just like you made us love the old stuff when it was new.

    If he comes out with the same tired setlist on the next tour, I will probably still go to at least one show because hey, I'm a Garth nut. But there is no way I will shell out to go to multiple shows like I did on this tour. Like Scott said, I doubt I'm alone in that thinking.

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Sep 2001
    Location
    Southern California
    Posts
    578
    Do you think that in their bedroom, Garth has a remote where he can push the button, and a part of the room will light up, and a cheering crowd plays through the speakers?

    I don't know if he needs that time to regroup, or the band does? I'd much rather he spent those 4-5 minutes playing a song. And dare I say it? A NEW Song??

    I realize there are songs that are staples, and he feels the need to perform them at every show. But at least for me, they're not ALL classics. But he treats them like it, thinking that people will complain if Beaches Of Cheyenne or Rodeo are not in every single show.

    I don't know...he's got a formula that has worked, and he's sticking to it. Not like anyone can say he's struggling, and doesn't have a clue what he's doing. He'll play every concert like it's YOUR 1st & Last times seeing him. In fact, it is very likely to be the same exact show, the first and last times you see him....aside for the snippets in the late show spot.

  15. #15
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Arlington, Tx.
    Posts
    609
    It would be interesting to know what percentage of those who go to is concerts have never seen him before. From the concerts I've attended, I hear lots of chatter of how they saw him in the 90s and wanted to see him again. Then of course the millennials who have never seen him are represented. But, I think we are in the minority on this. People want the old stuff which is why he has sold a record number of tickets.

    I think there are a certain number of people that Garth is familiar with that to him represents his fan base. I don't think the kind of fan we are on PG are always part of that group. Just every once in a while.

  16. #16
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Location
    LA/Long Beach area
    Posts
    1,642
    First I sorta agree with the article and what Skywise said. But I disagree also in a way. Comparing Garth to today's acts is like comparing apples and oranges. Garth has a past. He started the whole thing with country concerts going from standing in front of a mic to entertaining the crowd. I love George Strait and saw him several times in the 80's and 90's. Could I tell you a memory from any of the concerts? No. Can I remember things from the many concerts I saw of Garth's. Yes. So people like Taylor Swift have said they wanted a show like Garths (I heard her say this in concert when I took my bratkins to see her). But for a select few artists, how many of them are around 10 years later. They all end up playing small town fairs ( we get John Michael Montgomery and LeAnn Rimes this year) or Indian casinos (we just had Vince Gill and Lyle Lovett). Show me a chart of country music acts from 10-15 years ago and lets see how many are headlining and selling out arenas today. Sure Garth doesn't have a big putrescence on radio but to be honest I rarely listen to country radio and if I do its just background noise. I tend to listen to my older music. When Luke Bryans first album came out I was hooked. He sounded good and it was worth listening to. But now I haven't bought his past couple of albums because the music sounds the same. That is where I like Garth better than the stuff on radio today. Garth at least changes it up. He may not be repeating No Fences or Ropin The Wind but he does try to mix it up a little. So he tends to please the fan with older stuff they love. If it ain't broken, why fix it. Sure add a few news songs but please the people, that is why they love him. The new stuff will become familiar to them. Go to Roughstock and look at the album chart and see the totals for album sales. Chris Stapleton, FGL, Luke Bryan and a couple others have passed the 500,000 mark in sales. And they do it with $3.99 sales on Amazon and other music providers. Garth had to sell his boxed set at a clearance price but he still sold tons at the 20 and up price. His back catalog seems to sell well. If that is what people want and he is making money who cares if he is on radio. If you look at radio ratings, country music doesn't lead to many areas in listeners. One thing I also notice is people says he doesn't make new music. I have seen 3 new albums in the past couple years even if one was a Christmas album. He couldn't duplicate No Fences but he is trying to release new stuff. And how many singers would like to have just one career making album versus 3 or more like Garth. And my last comment here, I think country radio can't handle Garth because he doesn't have to kiss their ass to sell albums. He doesn't need country radio to sell tickets or albums. But they sure kiss ass to promote his shows when he does schedule a concert. I myself will continue to support someone who has done the business his way. These people today who do streaming or making their own play lists for their phone or whatever device they use don't need to hear Garth on the radio anyways. So quit worrying about top ten radio hits. JMHO

  17. #17
    Join Date
    Aug 2001
    Location
    In the USA, the best country in the world
    Posts
    6,645
    Quote Originally Posted by Emerald Isle View Post
    But man, help us love the new stuff just like you made us love the old stuff when it was new.
    Dang- WELL SAID

    If he comes out with the same tired setlist on the next tour, I will probably still go to at least one show because hey, I'm a Garth nut. But there is no way I will shell out to go to multiple shows like I did on this tour. Like Scott said, I doubt I'm alone in that thinking.
    Much as I love Garth- I don't know if I'd do multiple shows either.. I can almost guarantee he wouldn't sell out 9 shows in Denver like he did this tour... if he doesn't support any of his newer stuff
    An objective Garth fan, with my own views...

    I have a purpose
    Made in His image
    Accepted by Him
    Given new life in Christ
    Eternity with Him

    My collection of all things Garth....
    The GarthCast

  18. #18
    Join Date
    Aug 2001
    Location
    In the USA, the best country in the world
    Posts
    6,645
    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalGarthFan View Post
    he's got a formula that has worked, and he's sticking to it.
    And it's this, I believe, that is where he goes wrong... it's the same dinosaur type of thinking he has with his music delivery.. YEs he's on Amazon and yes, that's not a bad thing... but He's to pig headed to go with where he could get the most exposure...
    An objective Garth fan, with my own views...

    I have a purpose
    Made in His image
    Accepted by Him
    Given new life in Christ
    Eternity with Him

    My collection of all things Garth....
    The GarthCast

  19. #19
    Join Date
    Aug 1999
    Location
    Beautiful Oregon..
    Posts
    4,867
    I am quite sure he knows that. The guy is a marketing freak!

  20. #20
    Join Date
    Aug 2001
    Location
    In the USA, the best country in the world
    Posts
    6,645
    Quote Originally Posted by Garthmedic View Post
    I am quite sure he knows that. The guy is a marketing freak!
    he is a marketing freak with a degree in advertising- he's just a dinosaur who is pig headed too... IMO
    An objective Garth fan, with my own views...

    I have a purpose
    Made in His image
    Accepted by Him
    Given new life in Christ
    Eternity with Him

    My collection of all things Garth....
    The GarthCast

  21. #21
    Join Date
    Aug 1999
    Location
    Beautiful Oregon..
    Posts
    4,867
    You must compliment the guy on his integrity. When he truly believes in something, he sticks to his guns. Like it or not.

  22. #22
    Join Date
    Aug 2001
    Location
    In the USA, the best country in the world
    Posts
    6,645
    Quote Originally Posted by Garthmedic View Post
    You must compliment the guy on his integrity. When he truly believes in something, he sticks to his guns. Like it or not.
    don't know if I'd say 'integrity' is the TOTALLY right word, but yeah- I do respect his 'sticking to his guns'.. It's kinda the same thing (in a way) as the Retirement debacle in the first place.. I respect his sticking to his decision- even if it was poorly handled/executed.. Garth's dinosaur/pig headed ways ? equally as poorly handled.. but yes, it is good to see that he doesn't just bend over and be wishy washy
    An objective Garth fan, with my own views...

    I have a purpose
    Made in His image
    Accepted by Him
    Given new life in Christ
    Eternity with Him

    My collection of all things Garth....
    The GarthCast

  23. #23
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Location
    LA/Long Beach area
    Posts
    1,642
    The last paragraph is interesting.
    http://www.phillyvoice.com/garth-bro...ician-anomaly/

  24. #24
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Washington, DC
    Posts
    1,362
    Quote Originally Posted by gbkubfan View Post
    Huh! She can say that, and while future tours may not be as big as this one (meaning not playing 3-4 shows in each city, or routinely doing 2 shows in one night, or being out for 3 years at a time, etc), I just can't see Garth NOT touring in some capacity.

    I see them taking 2-3 years off, and then hitting the road again. But we'll see. Very interesting though.

  25. #25
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Just south of nowhere
    Posts
    1,416
    I don't think he'll be off the road that long again, there's no reason to. He might slow down on number of shows he does.

  26. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by YouSoundBitter View Post
    I don't think he'll be off the road that long again, there's no reason to. He might slow down on number of shows he does.
    I must be by myself on this one. I think I disagree. I honesty think this will be his last major tour.

    Its been three years straight, hes played to over 5 million people, he has nothing let to prove.

    I dont think he will play festivals in Europe or get to Australia and New Zealand in December.

    I think come November Triple Live will be released as an exclusive to amazon, and then he will
    be the good husband to Trisha.

    I dont think he's going to feel the need to start up again in three years and do any sort of tour.

    Hes done the arena thing, hes down the huge shows, and hes done the wynn thing.

    I think he can put his feet up and say to himself "Job well done"

    I just hope he starts calling it a "North American Tour" for the final part of it, since he didnt play outside,
    the USA or Canada.

  27. #27
    HAHAHA. No. I've kept up with Garth stuff too long and seen too many artists announce "final" tours just to come back for more, to believe no more than one second that this is anything but PURE BS. Final tour? Seriously. That's hysterical.

  28. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Brett Dale View Post
    I think he can put his feet up and say to himself "Job well done"
    This would be quite the shock to me as it goes against everything I've ever understood about Garth and his personality. There is no such thing as "job well done" in Garth world.

  29. #29
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Location
    LA/Long Beach area
    Posts
    1,642
    I think he will do the Wynn thing again but a different format. Residencies are the big thing in Las Vegas now. He can do concerts without being on the road every night. With the NHL Hockey Team Golden Knights and Now The Las Vegas Raiders in the future, thousands of sports fans will be making road trips to Vegas to see their teams play. They are also working on a soccer team plus you have UNLV athletics, lots and lots on people. Their is talk of the Super Bowl also coming to town after 2022. He can do a concert every night, change up shows, have nice boutique store selling all his music and merchandise.

  30. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Sevens View Post
    This would be quite the shock to me as it goes against everything I've ever understood about Garth and his personality. There is no such thing as "job well done" in Garth world.
    Garth's getting old age wise. I think he's tired and I can see where he says no big tours anymore but that doesn't mean he'll stop playing. I can see him playing 20 dates a year like Strait.

+ Reply to Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts