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    Does Garth/any performer owe the fans?

    I was interested to read how some fan(s) felt about a situation where they felt they were not treated with the respect that they deserved...
    Understanding of course that what I do deserve and what I feel I deserve are two seperate and distinct conclusions that I must draw....

    Having said that, what do we all think about this topic? I don't mind saying that I have to disagree with what I have been reading by the majority of the respondants.
    I do think that celeb's owe the fans, something. Stop typing, let me explain.
    If a star "makes it" why/how do they make it? Talent, yes, but were it not for the fans buying the product, requesting the songs on the radio and attending the concerts I suggest that the star might be working a regular 9-5 job like me. So, yes I think that stars do owe the fans something.

    I know that we all have our days, (you may not always get waved at) but I do think that its a unique situation and, for lack of a better term, something IS owed.

    Case in point: If I were to work as a server and I had a regular table that came in and tipped me very well every week, I would think that I owed them something. I owe them good service, but I also owe them that little bit extra to say thank you for the generous tip. I would make darn sure that their drinks were never empty, and their food was piping hot.

    To say that stars don't owe the fans would be saying that I wouldn't have to be courteous to my tables. Without the customers I would not have a job, if they complained, I would be looking for a new one...

    ON a related topic, I also don't have a lot of sympathy toward celeb's that are opposed to having their pics taken....it can't be good for publicity ONLY when you want it, you can't have it both ways. (Not talking about stalking...)

    I want to say that I've seen a few posts on here where, when someone says something that is not in line with popular opinion, the claws come out. Let me say that I'm not an anonymous flame war-starter, I've been a member for quite awhile, check it out. This is not a post specific to Garth or any star, but it may be....I'm just wondering what the consensus is? You never know, you may be able to change my mind with a good arguement??

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    Since this is a forum specifically for Garth Brooks, I will only address my feelings towards him here.

    Personally, I do not feel as though he owes me anything. He gave me MUCH in terms of music, perfomances and goodwill from his career. He gave me 12 years of hard work, intensity and ultimate showmanship. I feel like I am owed nothing. I am also quite gracious for what he did give us.

    I'm thankful. I'm content.

    ....And I am damn proud to call myself a fan.

    --spud--

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    I don't think Garth owes us anything, I think he is still giving.
    Everytime he takes time out of his day to come to the gate and talk, take pics, ect. And with all the charity work he does.

    I too am proud to call myself a fan, and will forever.
    Gloria

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    I just had a great debate with a friend from work. Paul may have changed my mind... Using the example that after I leave work, I shouldn't be expected to come in on my days off/retirement and say good-morning....never thought of that analogy. Still wondering what other posters think? It makes for interesting debate if nothing else....

    Ps. Lets not get into the whole "I'm a big fan, no I'm a bigger fan." I think we all realize that we are fans here, just different opinions...the purpose was to have a healthy debate, not to offend. No need to tell me how big a fan you are, how many shows you've been to...

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    I think that Garth would be the first to say that he owes his success to his fans.

    Having said that though, no one ever held a gun to my head and forced me to by his records. I bought them because I knew I would get my moneys worth. He has given me many hours of entertainment, and I think that is all he REALLY owed us. The rest of the stuff he does (for the fans, for charity, etc.) is like icing on the cake. It's not really necessary, but it's nice. And it's part of what makes him special.

    On the flip side, I don't think I would be interested in someone who always shunned the fans and acted like a jerk (as some celebs do). I think in that case, I would just choose NOT to buy their records, see their movies, or whatever. I just wouldn't be interested in someone like that.

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    I don't think celebs owe us anything.

    To use the same example of the waiter. He get's tipped after his service. If it's good... he gets a good tip... if not... then he doesn't.

    The same goes with a performer. If they do well then those that like their music/acting/etc. will pay to see them or pay to buy more albums. The music lovers reward is that they have a piece of art they get to enjoy.

    If you buy a painting... you don't get to decide what the artist does next or get to feel they should do certain things for you. If they choose to stop painting... well... you just can't buy anymore.... and they don't get paid anymore.

    When Garth was performing... he really gave it his all... maybe a little too much than he should have since he neglected his family in the process. In return he became very successful. While he was performing or promoting an album, he also spent a lot of time giving back to the fans with autographs and talking to them after concerts and at the gate of his home.

    He's not performing (other than charity) now... and he's not selling or supporting an album... so people aren't paying him for anything... but he still meets and greets with fans when he's able.

    So if anything the people are getting a bonus as he's given more back than he had to.

    Garth the waiter has quit working at the resturant.... and isn't paid or tipped anymore. So why should the patron think he should still come in and serve them? It's actually amazing that he still does and he does it out of appreciation for the fans. We got a bonus dessert I guess you could say.

    If it's a matter of the celebs owing the fans even long after they've performed a work of art or sold an album...... at what point does it stop? Do they owe us forever? That's not work... that's slavery.
    But you've got to be tough when consumed by desire
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow
    I don't think celebs owe us anything.
    I don't think so ether.

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    I do think when a celebrity is promoting an album, a movie, or any project, then for that time they do owe the fans some of their time to sign autographs, to shake hands, etc. That is part of the package. Once the promotion is over or the celebrity has retired, I do not think they owe the fans anything. I also think it is wrong for any celebrity to be disrespectful to a fan, however, I also think it is important for fans to be just as respectful to the celebrity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teach
    I do think when a celebrity is promoting an album, a movie, or any project, then for that time they do owe the fans some of their time to sign autographs, to shake hands, etc. That is part of the package. Once the promotion is over or the celebrity has retired, I do not think they owe the fans anything. I also think it is wrong for any celebrity to be disrespectful to a fan, however, I also think it is important for fans to be just as respectful to the celebrity.
    yes, that is true. And other than that there's nothing that they really owe us.

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    Snow's analogy with the waiter was spot on!

    I think once a person achieves some sort of celebrity they owe that fan base a certain standard of behaviour; someone who is now 'famous' and can't be bothered with those who spent their hard earned dollars is someone I can't be bothered to follow anymore. I can think of several celebs who go out of their way to present a positive role model to the world at large (Garth and Jon BonJovi come to mind immediately). The fact that Garth seems to be so untouched and unaffected by the fame, and continues to treat fans in a kind and courteous manner speaks volumns for him and for his parents.
    "Grace is when God gives us what we don't deserve and mercy is when God doesn't give us what we do deserve" - Dan Roberts

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbwnab
    I know that we all have our days, (you may not always get waved at) but I do think that its a unique situation and, for lack of a better term, something IS owed.
    But let's not forget that the story of the non-wave is, by our best determination not a true story at all.

    I see a lot of artists interact with a lot of fans. I see those that take the time to sign every autograph they can, I see those who won't sign autographs at all, and I see a whole lot of stages in between. MOST artists, even if they don't have the time to sign, will at least explain that they have another appointment, maybe tell where else they'll be that week, thank everyone for coming out, etc. That makes a huge difference.

    In the four+ years I've been at my current job, which puts artists from all walks of life in direct access with the tourists, there have been three artists I recall who just would not sign any autographs or acknowledge the fans, and asked to have security keep them back so they wouldn't have any interaction.

    One of them no longer walks the earth so I'll let them rest in peace. The other 2 didn't make it in the business - and you've been reading about one of them in the news here lately, and it isn't for doing good deeds.

    What I do think is "owed" to the fans is common courtesy. And I can't begin to tell you how many of the artists that stay and sign and meet and hug and smile and pose give credit to the way they treat the fans to Garth.

    J.

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    I think they owe you a good show if you buy a concert ticket, and they owe you a good quality product if you buy an album, but that's about it.

    Everything that someone, like Garth, gives outside of that is a huge bonus and a blessing, and should never be taken for granted.

    Regarding your original analogy of the waitress, Joyce, I agree that you would owe your customers the good service that you stated, but beyond the common courtesy that you would give anyone on the street (and I acknowledge that a lot of people don't even do that) I think it stops as soon as you clock off. Outside work you have no obligation whatsoever.

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    I don't get the credit for the waitress analogy, although I did spend a lot of time waitressing in my younger years, so I like it!



    J.

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    Thank you so much for everyones very interesting opinions! If I may ask a question, and it may lead off topic, but thats ok- I started this one so please bear with me.

    I work in a place where I "am always a representative of the company" I guess for the most part we all would be, no? If any one of us made the 6 o'clock news for some unscrupulous act I'm sure our boss' would not be pleased....

    As for the comment about "it stops once you clock off" Would you say that the same holds true for, say, a police officer? Just asking because of situations I've found myself in, but if you knew a certain officer, and saw them in public, off duty....would you think that they "owed" a situation their expertise should it be required??

    Again, no right or wrong answers- just wondering. Some that I worked with thought that they were ALWAYS police officers- I sat with others at functions that refered to their jobs as "working for the gov't" when asked about their employment, so there are all types of mentality...

    It does kinda fit in with the Garth category since the original question was, does he OWE us anything-this is just respnose supporting my original position- maybe??

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    I still say that they don't owe us eneything unless we did something inportant for them. Other than that they dont owe eneything to us besides an autographed book or CD/Tape and a shake of the hand at an convention. But like some body already sead... that's all part of the pacage.

    **Charlene**

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    As for the comment about "it stops once you clock off" Would you say that the same holds true for, say, a police officer? Just asking because of situations I've found myself in, but if you knew a certain officer, and saw them in public, off duty....would you think that they "owed" a situation their expertise should it be required??
    Well... my dad worked for the North Slope Borrow Police Department [N.S.B.P.D.] and I asked him the same thing.... he sead that even thow they dont get paid for it, a police officer is always on duty. So they should always help you when you need it. But they only have a restricted area to work in. If they are out of that area then they have no right to interfear with the problem.

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    As for the comment about "it stops once you clock off" Would you say that the same holds true for, say, a police officer? Just asking because of situations I've found myself in, but if you knew a certain officer, and saw them in public, off duty....would you think that they "owed" a situation their expertise should it be required??
    The police officer has a legal obligation to act, not because he owes anything.

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    I have a busy day- but I will reply later (yah I can say something on this topic!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skywise
    I have a busy day- but I will reply later (yah I can say something on this topic!)
    well then.... please do.


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    What do we owe?

    Being a performer myself, I can relate to this question. I think that we owe the fans our best while we are in the game. After all, without them we couldn't be successful. However, in Garth's case, when you decide to step back from the game for a while, I don't think you owe the fans anything more than a sincere "Thank You" for all the success. It's kind of a 2 way street. If your not asking anything of the fans (like to buy your records), you have nothing to be obligated about. Great Question!!!! Toby...

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    Medic are you suggesting that the officer is mandated to act while he/she is OFF duty?? I guess rules are different everywhere, but thats news to me...

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    Garth doesn't owe us anything. He has given us great music, great shows and great memories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbwnab
    Medic are you suggesting that the officer is mandated to act while he/she is OFF duty?? I guess rules are different everywhere, but thats news to me...
    In my state (Oregon) yes, the officer is legally obligated to do something, whether that be stopping the crime, apprehending the suspect, or merely calling 911 and being a good witness, he or she is required to act. They can't ignore a crime.

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    The Lamb

    Because Garth promised!

    But seriously, it's to God that Garth owes it all, and we owe God thanks for sending us Garth. He is truly a gift from above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowsGirl
    well then.... please do.


    ~Charlene~
    Well, in a nutshell, does Garth owe us anything? this far removed, probably not.. I appreciate his sticking to his guns, though I think the decision to end/retire/walk away was ridiculous, something that may have caused him to become a self fulfilling prophecy where people walk away from him, and has cost him a large segment of his fans....

    If there's anything that can be said from this, it's that Garth will do what he says... at least as far as retirement is concerned.. that's admirable..

    but does he owe us? at the time he retired, frankly yes- he turned his back on his fans- walked away.. we were the ones who gave him the opportunity to do what he did for a living- no one made us buy his music, his tickets, support him by purchasing merchandise, you name it.. Whether or not Garth liked it, when he became that much of an impactful force in music Garth was (I'd say still is) a role model and example to many.. Hell, it's hard to say that country music would have boomed the way it did without him- can we know for sure ? no- but can estimations be made? sure.. And Garth walked away from that- the industry he helped move forward..

    He turned his back on the tradition of hte opry, of the history of country music... somewhere where he has said it is his biggest honor to play, etc.. Is the opry so "weak" as it were that they won't act? has Garth been removed as a member? he's not fulfilled the requirements of membership.. yet they induct (or will) Dierks bentley... on the strength of one album w/ 2 maybe 3 good songs... a complete mistake at this point in time...

    so Garth hurt the industry, and hurt the tradition, history, and impact/importance of the opry....

    and Garth also hurt and turned his back on his fans, who were the reason Garth was able to make a living for his family, have his family as secure as they are, make the life for them that he did, and be the person he was for them.. w/o his career, woudl that have happened? perhaps- but you don't know for certain...

    Garth retired in a way that deprived his fan base of their happiness.. of their well, source....

    could it have been done better? absolutely- it's been gone over ad nauseum, but he could easiily have based himself out of Oklahoma, been the father he is, done all he's done, and still found time to record.. he's wealthy enough to have Nashville essentially come to him... build a recording studio (which I am sure he has to some extent allready, but a separate one perhaps) on the premises.. the girls are in school now, all of htem- there's time during the day to do some work- time at night as well- som weekends .. soccer's not a 365 a day sport... if so, is he being a parent by having htem in sports year round? that can't be answered here...

    he didn't even have to continue touring- though G. Strait blows Garth's myth of not being able to do things 100% right out of hte water- Strait toured just what was it, 10-15 dates a year w/ the "strait-stock" for lack of a better way to put it... festival(s)... that could easily have been done. 1 show a weekend.. 1 city.. anyone telling me that Garth fans would not have flocked to the shows? that they would not have been successful? Garth could easily, EASILY have done it.. w/ little to any disruption in his fatherhood- hell, even his father had to work when Garth was a child...

    so we have touring not a necessity-
    we have Garth not recording at all, turning away from what made him what he was...
    we have Garth then (after denials on all sides really) of any romance w/ trisha, etc.. coming out and essentially backtracking and admitting romance- how long has the romance been going on? I for one don't know- but I know it unfortunately lends credence to what otherwise would have been laughable and crappy tabloid articles.... and rumors...



    In short- Does Garth owe us anything? yes.. a better "end" than walking away..... turning his back on the fans as he did...

    does that mean he's awful, a jacka@@, you name it? absolutely not- he's hte best entertainer of all time (IMO) and is a hero of mine..

    do I still consider myself as big a fan as ever? absolutely...

    am I happy with what's happened? no- but am I willing to accept it? sure.. I am happy he's stuck w/ his decision- makes him more believable in the face of crap like TY's romance... and it leads me to think he will come back..

    keep in mind- he comes back when he says, that's 2014.. 25 years TO THE YEAR after his first album.... He wasn't an advertising major for nothing- I doubt Garth will pass up the obvious marketing and monetary possibilties- i know I'll be there waiting w/ open arms as a fan- how many others will be though....
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuzzwuzz
    Because Garth promised!

    But seriously, it's to God that Garth owes it all, and we owe God thanks for sending us Garth. He is truly a gift from above.

    a gift? yes- to be worshipped? no..

    the Lamb? he's also human- it's a promise as of yet unfulfilled...
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    Scott? Let me ask you a few things.

    Is it wrong to worship God for sending Garth?? I don't get why you have to keep adding that little snippet about Garth not being a gift to be worshipped. I know Who I worship same as you.

    And I admit, it does still smart when I think of what Garth said, that music is too good of a lover to only see her on weekends. So, what does he do? He walks away instead! As if that is the honorable thing for the music, as well as his girls.
    Well, we know it is for the girls, but it still bugs me that Garth thinks of his past career as an "it" now when I'm still here alive and well. At the same time, the relationship Garth has with his fans lives on beyond the stage. But sometimes it seems we got lost somewhere in the cracks. When Garth separates himself from the music it feels like "divorce" to this music lover. Yet, he can't live without us, according to the Chris Gaines notes to "Lost in You."

    So. I admit it. I do get upset especially at Garth for not visiting us online. Acknowledging us in that way as Garth family would mean the world. But I suppose it's because he has to protect the privacy of his realtime family that he won't do that. My thing is I don't just want to be talking about the man all the time. I want to be with him and his people as a team. His joining the Wal-Mart team has helped, and so has the new visitors we've had here at PG lately. And old friends returning. I see these as good signs that I can let go of my personal feelings and expect the unexpected at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skywise
    a gift? yes- to be worshipped? no..

    the Lamb? he's also human- it's a promise as of yet unfulfilled...
    Which one?

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    Life Of Love

    Scott sent me this. Does he know it could fit us? It reminded me of something very important to me as well as to Garth. "You." Everyone single one of you. Let's be arrows of love to each other.

    Life of Love

    "So, no matter what I say, what I believe and what I do, I'm bankrupt
    without love. Love never gives up. Love cares more for others than for
    self.
    Love doesn't want what it doesn't have. Love doesn't strut, doesn't
    have a
    swelled head, doesn't force itself on others, isn't always 'me first,'
    doesn't fly off the handle, doesn't keep score of the sins of others,
    doesn't revel when others grovel, takes pleasure in the flowering of
    truth,
    puts up with anything, trusts God always, always looks for the best,
    never
    looks back, but keeps going to the end" (1 Corinthians 13:3-7 from The
    Message).

    I wonder sometimes if it's hard for some people to talk about love
    because
    it seems to be a subject they hear a lot about yet have experienced very
    little. I am convinced that a genuine encounter with love would produce
    a
    life of love that is nothing short of poetic yet so many of the people
    we
    live and work with are trapped in the middle of lifeless prose. They are
    surrounded by facts about love but filled with nothing of love.

    God is love, we are told in Scripture. Our lives are designed to be
    lived
    within the passionate context of a love life with Him. He designed us
    for
    love and there are tragic consequences when we live life apart from His
    passion, apart from His love.

    Paul addressed the love life issue to the church in Corinth because they
    were failing to appropriate the gift they had been given by God. Their
    lives looked nothing like what God had intended for them and Paul was
    letting them know why. They refused to love. They were giving up on one
    another. They were caring more for themselves than for others. They were
    embittered by jealousy. They were puffed up with pride and they were
    forcing
    themselves on others in ugly ways. It seemed their mantra was "me
    first,"
    which naturally put them at the back of the line. They were living an
    angry
    life rather than a
    love life. God's love was not empowering them and so they were not
    people of
    patience, trust, hope, or perseverance.

    Let's respond to the passion and love of God. Let's lose ourselves in
    the
    poetry of God's divine affections for us. It will produce a beautiful
    life.
    A life marked by love. A love that "never looks back, but keeps going
    to the
    end." The Bible calls it a life of love.

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    I DO feel Garth owes his fans. Heck where would he be had we the fans not gone to his concerts and bought his music. We made him the star he is today. He owes it all to the fans. No fans no music sales and no money. He turned his back on us and just walked away. He could take a lesson from Strait. George manages to balance career and family just fine. Garth could if he wanted to. I feel Garth just lost it after his mom died and the fiasco with the Chris Gaines thing. I think the drive was gone and he just didnt care. Should he be with his girls? Absolutely. They are only little for a while. But should have just packed it all in. NO WAY!! I am one truly disappointed fan, but still a fan none the less.

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